Exclusive with Former Steelers Scout Doug Kretz, 2000-2001

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First, can you let us know what you’ve been doing since your time in the NFL as a scout?

I’m pretty much retired.  I’m 70 and all that travel stuff is too much now – dealing with that is just too much.

After I scouted for Cleveland, five or six of us worked for ESPN’s Scouts Inc. That was an online service that previewed games for readers – mostly for gamblers and fantasy football league fanatics. It’s ironic because most of us in football didn’t understand the whole fantasy football thing. It was about individual numbers instead of team success.

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Remembering Dan Rooney

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Brett Keisel: “I’ll never forget, I was a young player walking to my car after practice when Dan Rooney walked up to me and asked me to be more vocal – to be a leader. I couldn’t believe it – why me? He must have saw something in me I didn’t see in myself then. That was the motivation I needed to stand up and say the things I knew needed to be said. I tried to be accountable and to respect my peers and give it my all.”

Steelers Dr. Joseph Maroon: “It was also with the support of Chuck Noll and Mr. Dan Rooney that ImPACT was not only developed but spread throughout the NFL due to Dan Rooney’s personal intercession with Paul Tagliabue informing him of the system we had developed to evaluate concussions.”

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Exclusive with Former Steelers Safety Paul Cameron, 1954

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First, can you let me know what you got into after football?

I’m not really doing a lot now – I retired over 25 years ago. I got into the motion picture industry – on the business side. It was my Summer job in high school – I was offered it then – it was sponsored by Allied Artists. I enjoyed that – it was pleasant work, with people making something. It was a good way to spend my time..

After my time in the service and football, I went back into the business. I got into the Director’s Guild – I was part of that. It made it easy to go from one studio and picture to another.

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Exclusive with Steelers Linebacker Genard Avery

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First off, what made you decide to sign with Pittsburgh?

Man – Pittsburgh is an historic franchise. Legends have played there. I want to be part of something special there.

And, I know lots of the guys there personally. Cam and I worked out together with Chuck Smith when I first got started in the league. I saw Cam going through those drills and learned from him – we did some of those drills together.

Devin Bush – when he came out in 2019 we trained together in the offseason and he asked me a lot of questions about the league. Levi Wallace – he and I were in the same draft class and we know each other from training together.

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Exclusive with Former Steelers Running Back/Kick Returner Terrell Watson, 2017

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First, can you tell me what you have been doing since you last played in the NFL?

Right now I’m coaching as a fitness coach.  I was teaching PE and was doing that for a while so they had me do this as well.

I like motivating people. I want to coach people the way they want to be coached – to motivate them in some shape or form and bring them some good energy.

Did you want to get back into the NFL again?

No – I didn’t want to play football again. I wanted to be a police officer years ago and am working now with two different agencies to start that. I’m happy with my direction – I’ve wanted to do this for years.

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Exclusive with Former Steelers Running Back Elton Veals, 1984

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First, can you let me know what you got into after football and about that post-NFL transition?

I started working in home business supplies – that’s what I did right after football. It wasn’t hard. I knew I had something to fall back on after football – I started looking into it while I was playing so I knew I had that after football.

Were you surprised to be drafted by the Steelers? How did you find out?

I was surprised yes. They were one of the teams I rooted for in college but they never showed any interest in me before the draft. Mr. Rooney called me when they drafted me and welcomed me to the team – that’s how I found out.

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Exclusive with Former Steelers Defensive Assistant and Special Teams Coach John Guy, 1989-1993

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First, let me know what you’re doing with yourself now and how you got there?

I’m a partner now at Vanguard Sports Group – not as an agent. I work with young players to help them prepare for interviews for pro days – the mental aspect and preparation for interviews with teams. I’ll work with agents, and if necessary, I’ll work with the players on the field as well and on film study to show them how to break down the competition and understand how to work on their own techniques.

This weekend I actually attended the Von Miller Pass Rush Summit. All the top pass rushers in the league attended and shared ideas and talked about their different techniques.

Are you surprised that these guys all share so much with each other?

No. There are no trade secrets – it’s all on tape, Any player can break down film of another player into its specific parts and see what other guys are doing. Knowledge is just a second-hand thing. We can access tape and learn from each other – coaches and players.

How did you get to this point in your career?

I was the VP of Personnel in Buffalo before this – before that I was their Director of Personnel and before that the Browns’ college scout.

Before that I was a defensive assistant for the Steelers and their special teams coach.

How has the game changed over the years – and is it for better or worse?

Here’s what I see. First off, players are different. Their approach is different. They’re smarter but that doesn’t equate to football intelligence.

Coaching has changed too – it’s not about motivation – it’s about stimulation. Everything is on tape now – and social media has changed the attitude of players and coaches. And Hard Knocks – that’s bad for the game and it’s a lie. Teams don’t succeed after it. Players and coaches don’t act like themselves – it’s not who they are. It’s about soundbites. And fantasy football and money mean fans are having more of an impact too.

Can you get into that more?

Now everyone is a writer and picture taker. And the game is now more focused on health. Everything in the game has changed except for the width and length of the field, and the ball.

The rules and attitudes have changed – the NFL missed the generation of discipline when 20-to-30 years ago so many served in the military first. That added more discipline with guys too.

Has money had a bigger impact now?

Money is money. 40 years ago guys played and worked to make money. But its not the endorsements – not many guys make much money on commercials. Most of the money is made on the field.

I worry it’s driven by fantasy football now – that and betting. I think gambling will change the game from the fans’ perspective.  It creates different pressures for fans. The game is more analytical now too – analytics have always been there but now I think it’s replaced the heart and guts of the game. I don’t think many of the analytics guys understand the technical aspects of the game – the X’s and O’s.

So stepping back  – how did you get your start in Pittsburgh?

I did three internships with the Steelers – it took 10 years to get an internship there. I sent a letter to Mr. Rooney Sr. and he told me that my resume was good but I should try to work with the Giants and recommended me there because the Steelers weren’t doing internships at the time.

After a while, some things changed in Pittsburgh and I had experience working with Dwain Painter, who recommended me for an internship in Pittsburgh. Rod Rust liked the idea of internships so they allowed me to come in as an intern. I did three under Noll then when Cowher was hired I was given the special teams job, partly because they needed minorities and partly because I had been there for three years.

What was it like working for Chuck Noll?

Here’s the thing. I visited the Steelers training camp when I was at Duke in ’78. The Steelers were always one of my favorite teams, but being there made it even more so. Being in that environment and around Noll made an impression on me.

As an intern I had a chance to know the players before Cowher was hired. Lloyd, Nickerson, Little – there were good players there. Woodson was the most competitive of them all – the most competitive player I’ve met. I did a private study of him – he hated getting beaten in practice – and handled kick and punt returns. His intensity and approach I admired – and I coached very good players like Lawrence Taylor and Pat Swilling.

I also learned a lot about how camps are run and set up.

I remember – guys then always talked abut same shoulder same foot. They played to win-even in practice. They hit hard in practice. Chuck had a special relationship with his players too – he treated guys like people – like men.  That made it special to me.

How did that change under Cowher?

My position changed and that changed my perspective. I went from an intern to the special teams coordinator. I learned from the players – I really did. It gave me a different perspective . Cowher and Noll are different people and you have to adjust to that. My last year many of the players left – so there was lots of change. But they were good coaches – teachers.

Any good stories of your time there you can share?

Oh yeah. The first game of Cowher’s first year, Cowher said he wanted to run a gadget play on special teams. He was very involved with special teams – he was the special teams coach, to be honest. We were playing the Oilers and before the game he told me he wanted to run something. Well, it was at the point of the game where it was a good time for a fake punt. I got all of the guys together to get them ready on third down – counting men, figuring out what hash mark we were on..I called the fake punt and let them know before the play, then sent them out after the play. Royals looked back at me one last time and I confirmed he should run the fake. But in the meantime as they were going out I saw that a 15-yard penalty was called on us. It was too late to stop the call though – it wasn’t my place to call a timeout and if I tried to change the play I was worried someone would miss the call change and make a mistake and do the wrong thing.

The good thing was, most fakes are run between the 30s, and the penalty knocked us back before the 30. So it was less expected. Cowher walked back to me and asked me what I called and when I told him I called the fake, he said “Oh shit!” But Warren Williams caught the ball and ran it all the way downfield.

That’s how Bill got the “Gunslinger” name – because of that play. But it’s a play that I called on third down that he wasn’t aware of until it was too late to change it!

You were there for a couple of years under Cowher – why leave?

I don’t want to get into why I left – let’s just say it wasn’t how it was how it was printed.

Donohoe was good to me – Mr. Rooney was too. I enjoyed my time in Latrobe and Pittsburgh.

I also learned you have to create value for yourself. When Latrobe renovated their theater – it was what we used as our meeting and film room. I learned to turn on the lights there – it was stage lighting with the curtains and no one else knew how to turn them on and off. For three years I did so as an intern. Under Cowher, I was the only coach who knew how to turn them on and off!

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Exclusive with Former Steelers Wide Receiver/Kick Returner Mike Adams, 1997

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First, can you let me know how you got into coaching as a second career?

It wasn’t my first choice actually. After Pittsburgh, I played in Canada for a short while then left Canada in 2000. I was part of the XFL’s first season in 2001, but my knee was still hurting from my injury in Pittsburgh – I had to give up playing. I couldn’t even finish my time in the XFL.

After that I got into private enterprise with some buddies – we started a graphic design business and I did that for a couple of years. Around 2013 I started coaching for a private school in Dallas – a prominent school – St. Marks. That’s when I found my calling – I realized this is what I was supposed to be doing.

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Exclusive with Justin Zackal, Game-Day Statistician (Steelers)

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First, tell me a bit about your “day job.”

I worked in communications and PR for higher ed – as a sports information director when I got started. In 2011 I transitioned and worked at Waynesboro then Westminster College, then to Slippery Rock where I am now. Now I work mostly on the web content and the alumni magazine.

After I worked in the sports information director role, I wanted to keep working on some of the athletics stuff, so I kept working as a Steelers’ statistician. There’s nothing like doing that, especially if you’re working a 9-5 job as well.

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Exclusive with Former Steelers Defensive Lineman Israel Raybon, 1996

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First, let me know what you are doing with yourself now?

I’m in the car business now – I started about seven years ago. I was with Homeland Security  when my buddy told me that he thought I’d be great as a car salesman. I told him no way – I was used to carrying a gun and badge – no way I was going to go sell cars.

But my buddy had me visit him at the dealership and it got so busy there I ended up helping him sell three cars, The next day the manager called me and I thought he was going to tell me to stop hanging out at the dealership.  But he asked if I would like to sell cars and told me I could double my current salary.

I had some vacation time so he asked me to come in then and sell during that time to see how it goes. I sold a bunch of cars and enjoyed it. I love working with people and really love it.

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