Rich”Big Daddy”Salgado – Coastal Advisors LLC

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Rich”Big Daddy”Salgado – Coastal Advisors LLC
First, can you let readers know how you got started in the business and how you got started working with athletes and other well-known people?
I got started working in the business thru a high school friend of mine named John Garrett. I got started working with athletes through networking with former college teammates of mine from the University of Maryland. My college roommate was Neil O’Donnell who went on to play NFL Football with the Pittsburgh Steelers. I met players on NY Jets from my days on Long island and friends that worked there.
How does your approach differ from others – what about your style and offerings made you the choice for these athletes?
My approach is simple I’m not a hard salesman – I work with some of these athlete’s agents, accountants, and financial advisors. I’m recognized nationally through the publications that I have been featured in like, The Wall Street Journal, Sports Business Journal, Sports Illustrated and NFL Network, as well as my appearances on Fox News Channel and Bloomberg News .
You got your start in Pittsburgh – can you tell readers about that Pittsburgh connection – how that came about?
That came about through my relationship with Neil O’Donnell as well as the working relationship that I had with NHL/MLB Agent Tom Reich, his nephew Steve Reich and NFL agent Ralph Cindrich.I was friends with Jim Sweeney who played with the NY Jets (College, played at Pitt). He sent me to meet some local friends and they showed me around. I worked at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center for a while. So, I networked with everyone and went to Steelers games, Pens games, and Bucs games.
What were your impressions of the team and players at the time as you met them through Neil O’Donnell?
Well, the team had a mixture of vets and young guys, with Neil Being one of the young ones . I was fortunate enough to meet Chuck Noll and  then got to meet Bill Cowher. As for the players, they became friends of mine through my relationship with Neil. I still speak and see a few of them, like Merril Hoge, Tunch Ilkin, John Jackson and saw Bubby Brister a while back.
Any fun/interesting experiences you can share regarding some of the Pittsburgh athletes you represent?
Well, some of the fun and interesting experiences that I had with Pittsburgh athletes were actually with Penguins players. I did experience seeing the Pens win the Cup and got to meet and become friends with Mario. I actually met the whole team through Mario. Mario wasnt a client but working with his agent Tom Reich helped me befriend and hang with him on some special occasions and be a guest at his golf outings. I was fortunate to see my roommate, Neil O’Donnell play in the Super Bowl.  Although they lost, I was so proud of him to get his chance . Some players go many years and never get to the GAME. He did it twice, with the Steelers and Titans.
What are some of the biggest mistakes you see athletes make now as it relates to protecting their careers and the services you offer?
The mistake they make often is that they listen to people that aren’t or don’t work in my industry. Most athletes go broke because they listen to bad advice and they put all their eggs in one basket. We try to educate and show them the importance of balance, diversification, and having more than one voice in your camp. TEAM WORK is what helps these athletes succeed. A lot of times we get calls to help but it’s sometimes too late.
What are some of the biggest misperceptions you find athletes have as they discuss insuring themselves through you?
 Some don’t ask questions because they feel that I might think they aren’t intelligent. Some actually believe that I only work with first round picks or high-profile clients. Those are far from the truth. We make it our mission to spread the word about what we do to help all clients in both sports and business worlds. Most athletes think that they need to be in their death bed to collect on a disability claim. Far from the truth, policies are payable once the insured is deemed disabled from participating in the sport they are in. The insured can go do something else but play sports.
How have the new NFL and NHL CBA’s affected you, if at all?
Not really, these athletes need protection both on and off the field. Coastal Advisors, LLC works in all four major sports. We INSURE and PROTECT at all times, during lockouts, holdouts and so on.
How do you see the business changing over the next 5-10 years – and why?
I believe that the business will keep on growing due to the fact that people like myself are always putting the word out there that Coastal Advisors,LLC is the #1 place to come to when you are thinking of protecting your contract through career ending disability, or your family through Estate Planning and Life Insurance.
What has surprised you most over the course of your career, and why?
The one thing that I never ever would have ever believed is that I would be answer questions like these for any reporters, television or media publications. I’m fortunate to have been doing reporting for Fox News during the Super Bowls and NFL Draft weeks the past four years. All of my tv hits are on my website as well as my feature articles. I’m still in disbelief but I’m not upset , just happy    www.coastaladvisorsllc.com
Any last thoughts for readers?
I never forget where I came from and who has helped me. I had a near death experience in 2008 . I had an aneurysm. To help the hospital that saved my life, I started a celebrity golf outing to benefit the North Shore Long Island Jewish Hospital Children’s Brain Aneurysm Center. Michael Strahan, Mike Tyson, Jay Glazer and many more joined me to help raise money for this cause. You can all go to www.bigdaddygolfclassic.com  to see videos and pics from last year. We are on again this year on June 23,24th.   I’m a big believer in giving back as I’m fortunate to be able to do a job that allows me to help others and do some of the greatest things on this planet.
Thanks for your time.
I Miss Pittsburgh and it was one of my favorite cities that I lived in………….North Park Lounge and Pirmanti’s , Simply the BEST!!!!!!!!!!!
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Matt Mitten, Director of the National Sports Law Institute

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Matt Mitten, Director of the National Sports Law Institute:

First, can you tell readers how the National Sports Law Institute got started and what its mission is?

Founded in 1989, the National Sports Law Institute (NSLI) of Marquette University Law School is the first  Institute of its kind associated with an American law school. The Institute’s Mission is to be the leading national educational and research institute for the study of legal, ethical and business issues affecting amateur and professional sports from an academic and practical perspective.

The Institute sponsors local and national events including conferences and symposia for individuals in the sports industry, and disseminates information on the sports industry and sports law through its many publications, such as the Marquette Sports Law Review. As a part of Marquette University, a Catholic Jesuit University, the Institute is committed to searching for truth, discovering and sharing information, fostering professional excellence, developing leaders, and serving those in the sports industry.

The Institute is also affiliated with the Marquette University Law School Sports Law program, which provides the nation’s most comprehensive offering of sports law courses and student internships with local sports organizations as well as opportunities to become members of the Marquette Sports Law Review and National Sports Law Moot Court team. With the assistance of the Directors of the Institute, the Sports Law Program is designed to provide Marquette University Law School students with both a theoretical and practical education covering the legal regulation of amateur and professional sports industries, thereby enhancing their attractiveness to sports industry employers. Students who meet certain requirements before graduating from Marquette University Law School are also eligible to receive a Sports Law Certificate from the National Sports Law Institute.

The National Sports Law Institute is aided by its Board of Advisors. The Board of Advisors is a group of sports lawyers, sports industry executives and professionals, sports law professors and teachers, and others with a demonstrated interest in the field of sports law. The primary duties of the members of the Board of Advisors are: 1) to contribute to the advancement of knowledge regarding legal, ethical, and business issues affecting the sports industries; 2) to provide advice and guidance on matters affecting Marquette University Law School’s Sports Law Program; 3) to attend NSLI events and to participate in the governance of the NSLI; and 4) to assume other duties and responsibilities (including service on committees) that further the NSLI’s best interests.

For a listing of our Board members, see https://law.marquette.edu/national-sports-law-institute/board-advisors

How did you personally get involved with the institute and what are some of your goals for the NSLI in the upcoming years?

I’ve been the NSLI’s Director since August of 1999.

You may be surprised to know that I never took a sports law course in law school!  There was  a class when I was in law school but even though I was  a big sports fan I  didn’t take it – I thought it wasn’t something I would use in my professional career.

I became an antitrust, trademark, and commercial lawyer at a major firm in Atlanta and my first project was sports related. I had a client who was putting on an old-timers baseball game for former major league players.  I helped the company federally register its trademark.  I also did some work for a company that was considering licensing its trademark to shoulder pad manufacturer  that had some products liability concerns if it did so as well as represented  a Howard Johnsons franchisee that showed a Detroit Lions home game that was supposed to be blacked out. So, I dabbled in sports law before entering the academic world.

When I began teaching at South Texas College of Law in 1990, the Dean asked me to develop a sports law course in response to students’ interest.  While at South Texas, I  was one of the lawyers that represented Harris County, which owns the Astrodome, in litigation arising out of the Houston Oilers efforts to relocate to Nashville before the club’s lease expired. My initial sports law scholarship focused on sports medicine legal issues, including the role of the team physician and doping issues. I was there for ten years, then got a call from Marquette Law School inviting me to interview for my current position. I  had never been to  Milwaukee, but was fortunate enough to be offered the job.

Marquette Law School  offers fourteen sports law courses – more than any other school in the world. It’s one of only two U.S. law schools to offer a sports law certificate. Several of our Sports Law program alumni,  including the general counsel of the Atlanta Braves, the athletic director of the University of Miami and a number of university athletic department compliance directors, are employed in the sports industry. .

However, there are relatively few entry level sports industry jobs for young lawyers, and only a small number of graduates  are employed full-time in sports law immediately after graduation. Most of them are lawyers who represent clients in other industries, but the knowledge of numerous law (e.g., contract, antitrust, labor, and intellectual property) and  skills (e.g. , contract negotiation and drafting) they learned from Marquette’s Sports Law program  are readily transferable.

The NSLI holds a sports law conference every year – the upcoming one on October 19th  is on international and professional sports legal and business issues – covering issues like doping and corruption. The NSLI provides  a forum for discussion of current legal, business, and ethical issues impacting  the industry.  It also periodically gives its Master of the Game Award to individuals who make a significant contribution to the sports industry while doing so in an ethical manner.  This year’s recipient will be David Howman, the Director General of the World Anti-doping Agency.

The NSLI has a fifty-person Board of Advisors – including Major League Baseball Commissioner Bud Selig who helped fund the institute and now teaches at Marquette. I’ve had the pleasure of co-teaching Professional Sports Law with Bud Selig for the past four years. He gives a series of lectures  to our students and is always well-prepared and loves teaching. He’s been in the industry forty-plus years – to hear his perspective is phenomenal.

What would you like to achieve in the next few years?

I’d like our Sports Law program to continue providing the best possible education to those aspiring to be future sports lawyers and for the NSLI, which is Marquette’s bridge to the sports industry, to continue  providing a forum for a balanced discussion of the most important legal issues affecting the sports industry.  We’re not an advocacy group – that would not be consistent with the fact we’re part of a law school –  but we are looking to make a positive difference.

You’ve been involved on a number of sports law panels and cases. What have been some of your most memorable experiences to date and what’s made them so?

The work I’ve done on sports medicine legal issues – working with the NCAA’s Competitive Safeguards and Medical Aspects of Sports Committee. We monitored injury protection rates and  made recommendations to make  intercollegiate athletics safer as well as formulated the NCAA’s drug testing policy and adjudicated student-athlete appeals of positive tests. I’m privileged to be a member of  the Court of Arbitration for Sport, which resolves a wide variety of sports-related disputes, including doping and athlete eligibility issues.

One of my more interesting cases was one that happened 15 years ago in Chicago. A basketball player at Northwestern had a full scholarship ride suffered cardiac arrest while playing in a pickup game before enrolling and had to be defibrillated by paramedics.  allowed him to keep his athletic scholarship, but  wouldn’t let him play on its basketball team for health and safety reasons. He claimed his exclusion violated his rights under the Americans with Disabilities Act, and I  filed an amicus brief on behalf of two groups of sports medicine physicians advocating in favor of  the school’s position.  The United States Court of Appeals accepted our argument.

How does the rapid internationalization of the sports world affect your role and the role of sports lawyers in general? How does that complicate your roles and work?

At the college level, a lot of foreign-born athletes participate in the NCAA. We’re really the only country trying to retain the idea of “amateur” athletic competition. Most of the rest of the world has the club sport model, where young, elite athletes  are  are selected for  club teams and given economic support, which may adversely affect their eligibility to receive an athletic scholarship from a U.S. university.

With the Olympics, there are more countries in the Olympics than there are in the U.N.  I believe sports are a microcosm of society. Sports are perhaps the only thing that keeps us from killing each other – and the lessons we learn in sports can be applied to other world issues.

Professionally, sports like basketball, hockey, soccer and baseball all  have an international labor market. The United States has a significant number of players overseas, and many foreign athletes play here. And we’ll keep seeing much more of that. We discuss this in our classes.  The global market for professional players’ services in several sports raises many interesting  legal issues in areas such as labor, immigration, and taxation law.

What do you see as being some of the bigger issues facing sports leagues, legally, in the next few years, and how do you address them?

Labor relations issues have been front and center recently; for example, last year’s NHL and NBA player lockouts, and this year NHL lockout and NFL referees’ strike.  There will continuing issues of how the economic pie is divided between league clubs and the players (as well as referees).

Player health and safety issues, including sports doping,  are becoming increasingly important, along with the issue of compensating retired players who are facing  serious health issues arising out of  their playing careers.

Intellectual property issues – with new technologies and  games broadcast to different countries and all over the web: what’s in the public domain and what belongs to the league and its clubs is an important issue with different answers in different countries

What are your thoughts on the way the major sports leagues are handling concussion and related issues from a legal standpoint? Are they doing enough – why/why not?

I think they are going in the right direction. Players who have suffered a concussion must be medically cleared by a physician before resuming play. The NCAA has a new rule that if a football player’s helmet comes off, he  has to sit out a play, which enables a player to be evaluated for a head injury.  Although athletes assume the inherent risks of injury from playing a sport, including a concussion, they don’t assume enhanced risks created by a sports league’s negligence or fraudulent concealment.  The litigation brought by retired NFL players and former NCAA football players raises some interesting legal issues that will need to be resolved by courts.  It’s all about what can be proven.

We’ve seen another round of frustrating CBA negotiations in the NFL and NHL over the past couple of years. From a fan’s perspective, how do leagues allow things to get to this point and how could/should these negotiations be better addressed?

The fans’ interests are not taken into account adequately—if at all. The players unions focus on their players’ economic interests,  and the league and clubs their economic interests.  That’s the process the labor market provides. Both sides have  a legal duty to bargain in good faith, but neither side is obligated to agree to anything or to make a “fair” offer. With the exception of Major League Baseball, professional sports labor negotiations are essentially becoming  a no-holds-barred war of economic attrition.

As important as sports are to us, they are not an essential product or service like the police or fire protection, soe there’s very little direct government regulation of the sports industry. However,  sports leagues, clubs, unions, and players have to take into account how much labor strife that results in lost games that the fans will put up with. Both sides have to realize  that acrimonious, protracted labor disputes may kill the goose that laid the golden egg.

What do you say to fans that wonder how it gets to this point so often?

The current legal system breeds lockouts and strikes, because federal labor law doesn’t require either side to be objectively reasonable in labor negotiations and permits the parties to exert economic pressure through a lockout or strike as a means of achieving their respective economic demands. But ultimately, the fans collectively possess the greatest economic power by choosing how to respond labor disputes between players and league clubs.

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Andrew Bondarowicz, National Association of Sports Agents & Athlete Representatives

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Andrew Bondarowicz, National Association of  Sports Agents & Athlete Representatives:

First, can you let readers know about the National Association of  Sports Agents & Athlete Representatives – what inspired you to launch  the association and how you went about doing so? 

I have been formally certified as a contract advisor since 2005.  Every year, I have seen more and more grumbling within the agent  community about the players associations, regulation, player-related  issues and other concerns of my colleagues. Whenever, there is an NCAA  player scandal, it is inevitable that someone is going to blame an  unscrupulous? agent. Fans love to blame agents when their  favorite player leaves town for another team. Rarely, does anyone else  get criticized. Yet, so much of what sports agents do goes unseen. The  notion to launch NASAAR has been kicking around for several years,  almost every profession has a professional trade association to work  on of collective interest and considering how many public  agents deal with  players, payers unions, NCAA, state regulators,  colleges, etc., it only makes sense to bring agents together to  provide a unified organization to work on these issues. Prior to  getting into the player representation, I had the opportunity to work  both on staff and in leadership for several trade associations and saw  firsthand what the benefits to an industry can be and knew that is it  something the was really needed in this industry as well.

What do you think separates this association from others that cater to  sports agents? 

The problem is there no others that really serve this role for agents.  For example the Sports Lawyers Association-a great organization- is a  non-profit educational association that brings together team  officials, law professions, agents, media lawyers, etc. for discussion  on sports related issues broadly. Only a small percentage of SLA  business involves agents and agent issues. Secondly, not all agents  are lawyers. The players’ unions have the ability to certify agents  to represent players in contract negotiations, but they are not really  regulators themselves outside of the scope of their respective CBAs  and they are very careful to define their scope. They let it be known  that they represent the players, not the agents. So, NASAAR fills a  unique niche in working on behalf of agents to address issues of  collective importance with other constituencies.

Is this for all sports agents – and if so, how will you address the  variance in issues agents experience between the various sports and  pro versus collegiate levels? 

There are undoubtedly issues specific to particular sports, but there  are also a ton of issues of common importance. Issues such as state  regulation affect all agents. NCAA concerns affect many agents. The  lack of uniformity in enforcement is a concern to agents. How players  associations discipline agents and who they choose to discipline is a  concern to all agents. Sharing what works from one players association  to another can benefit everyone. For example, MLBPA is the first major  players’ association to recognize non-certified recruiters in their  regulations ? that?s something that needs to be discussed with all  players associations too. On a different note, what if college  student-athletes were allowed to have an?agent? Well, the  concept should not be that far off. A trade association is the best  place to discuss these issues and come up with the ideas and plans to  make them work.

What are some of the biggest pain points you are looking to address in  the agents community – what do you see as some of the biggest concerns  and needs agents have now in regards to their day-to-day jobs? 

State regulation is a big problem. It can cost upwards of $15,000 a  year to license nationwide, yet enforcement of the rules is very, very  haphazard. One idea is to move to a national regulatory model and  possibly a self-regulatory environment similar to parts of the  financial industry. The NCAA is in a very tricky position in dealing  with student-athlete and agent issues ? NASAAR wants to have a role  in ensuring that changes to the rules will be rationalized and have a  likelihood of success ? not just more bureaucracy. We hope to  establish a national database to track registration, issues,  complaints, etc. so that information is broadly available. For day to  day issues, it helps to network with colleagues; meet service  providers such as trainers, financial advisors, trainers, etc. to help  us service clients better. There are many areas where an organization  such as NASAAR can make a big impact.

What are some of the biggest regulatory issues on your radar right  now? 

Aligning state laws into a more consistent system is a big priority.  Rationalizing costs, requirements, paperwork, etc. is also a  short-term goal. Developing a national regulatory scheme or  self-regulatory environment is a long term goal. Improving the  consistency of enforcement at the NCAA, state, and players association  levels is another objective. Working with the NCAA, conferences and  schools to make the system better is also a key priority.

Will one of the association’s missions be to address the image some  have of the need for increased ethics and regulations in the agent  community? How accurate is that viewpoint/need, from your perspective? 

Absolutely. Agents often get a bad wrap and we have an image problem.  You always hear about unscrupulous agents but never about  unscrupulous players or unscrupulous coaches! Yet, there  is not a single agent that would be willing put themselves at risk of  a violation if it was not going to curry favor with a potential  client. For example, there are almost 900 NFLPA certified agents out  there and if a student-athlete is asking for money, someone is going  to give it to him.

Unfortunately, student-athletes do not fear losing eligibility enough  – what’s the risk forcing a player to go pro and earn  millions sooner? I think the Reggie Bush and OJ Mayo cases were  perfect examples of what’s wrong with the system. Without going into  the details of the case, USC lost millions in the process, agents was  disciplined, and the players essentially gets off making millions as  high draft picks. USC, in my eyes, had an opportunity to send a strong  message to student-athletes as well as agents. Instead, they sent the  wrong message and I think it has gotten much worse since then.

If we agree that the system is broken and needs to be fixed, we have  to address all of the pieces,  not single out the weakest link  (agents) in the process. We need to look at this the same way as  political corruption and bribery. That’s not to say that all agents  are model citizens either, but there is a lot to be done in this area.

What tools can you help develop for agents to make their jobs easier? 

There are several that have already been discussed. One is to create a  national agent registry to alleviate some of the pain points in  registering in multiple jurisdictions each with its own forms,  requirements, etc. This would also provide basis for establishing a  universal database that can be used by a variety of constituencies  including schools, the NCAA, players associations, agents, etc. It  would also be useful to players seeking out information on agents  because today it is pretty much only word of mouth. In the short term,  just reducing paperwork requirements is a big win for the industry.  There have been requests from agents to look into professional  liability coverage and/or bonding issues, which are required by  various states and players associations. Helping agents to connect is  another benefit. The gap between large and small agencies is growing  and some consolidation within the industry will be needed  NASAAR  will be a great resource for fostering dialogue within the industry.

From your perspective, what are some of the biggest misperceptions  fans have of the role of agents in sports?

The role of the agent can be extremely broad from client to client. Some clients only want the  agent to handle their player contracts. In other cases, agents are  managing almost everything for a professional player from marketing to  paying bills to training. Each client relationship is different and  can extend well beyond the contract. So, while agents help players  make decisions, it is hard to tell from the outside what the  motivations are ? is it more money? Is it to play in a certain  location or for a certain coach? Is it for family reasons? Agents have  a role in the process, but it is most often to help the player decide  the right decisions for himself. So, next time your favorite player  decides to go play for your biggest rival, give the agent a break!

What are some of the key metrics and benchmarks you find agents using to measure their performance?

Until now, the only real benchmarks are:  Who do you represent? How many players do you represent? Or how much  money have you made for your clients? They are all relatively hollow  figures because they don?t really express the overall value that an  agent brings to a client. A first round draft pick will always have a  bigger contract than a late rounder, yet the work effort to represent  that player can be drastically different. A first round pick is often  looking for different things from an agency or has different  motivations from a late rounder as well. Experience is always a useful  benchmark because you can never really negate experience, but I also  said to potential clients, It is not who I represent, but rather how  well do I represent them! The agency business is difficult to  benchmark for that reason, so metrics can be very tricky and easily  manipulated.

Much of an association/community’s value is on the ability of members  to share experiences and successes/failures. How will you foster this  in your association and at the same time ensure that confidentiality  is maintained to keep the agent-client relationship “sacrosanct? 

The agency business is extremely competitive and agents are naturally  skeptical about everyone. NASAAR’s biggest challenge is probably  getting agents to buy in initially. The good thing is that there is a  lot of work to be done. NASAAR?s initial focus will be on big  picture initiatives and some small quick hits that we can get people  to rally around. As we establish more credibility within the ranks, I  think you will see a greater openness within the organization. I  don?t see confidentiality being an issue. The funny thing about the  industry is there really are not that many secrets ? people talk and  everyone has a pretty good idea of what is going on with their rivals.  I think war stories are great teachers and you have many agents who  would be willing to share their experiences for the benefit of the  industry. After all, you continue to build your stature by gaining the  respect and admiration of your colleagues.

What equates to success for you year one? 

While I think that NASAAR will eventually become a very important  organization over time, it is important to keep things in perspective  and set attainable goals in the first year. We would like to build a  strong membership base that will provide a range of opinions and bring  a variety of experience and backgrounds to our working committees. We  would like to establish strong working relationships with the  players? associations, NCAA, and state regulators so that NASAAR  becomes a part of the discussion on key issues. I think it is  important to define the key issues and pain points within the industry  to help set a comprehensive agenda for the future. We will be  establishing an annual conference to bring members together, build  relationships, and help develop leaders within the organization. We  would like to build out a dedicated staff and stage a membership  conference. Year one will be foundational, but I can say I would be  disappointed if we did not make an impact.

Any last thoughts for readers? 

Having worked both in the trade association and agent businesses, I  think formulating NASAAR is a big challenge. It is a very  decentralized business and not the most open one. Yet, I do see a very  important role for NASAAR to play and I think we will continue to win  support as we move forward.  I have been fortunate to experience many  successes in the agency business, yet my passion has definitely  shifted to making NASAAR a reality and working for the benefit of the  industry.

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Jeffrey Dobin, Agent. Athlete Advocates

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Jeffrey Dobin, Athlete Advocates

First, can you let readers know how you and your firm got involved in sports law – was this an intended focus for you all along?

My firm was created with the purpose to provide top caliber legal services to athletes. I made the decision to pursue law school while interning for RealGM, a company that tracks player trades and transactions, and also sells proprietary salary cap software to NBA teams. 

After speaking with one of their founders who was an attorney, as well as numerous NBA general managers who had also previously practiced law, I realized a law degree would help me stand out and provide a competitive advantage in sports and business.  

You recently started Athlete Advocates what differentiates you from other agencies?

In September of 2010, Ryan Scarpa and I officially opened the doors at Athlete Advocates. However, we had been preparing for years for that moment.  Since 2007 we had been growing our industry knowledge and experience to be able to provide our clients with top caliber representation from two attorneys and agents.

What differentiates us is our unique approach and willingness to connect and interact with athletes that most agents cannot. Our attention to detail, and most importantly, personal service distinguishes our firm from “large scale” agencies.  It is this personal service and true relationships we form with players and their families that allows us to compete for top talent.

There are no off-hours at Athlete Advocates.

In addition to this level of service, Ryan’s understanding of the game provides a huge advantage for us.  The fact that he played on both sides of the ball at Hofstra University with roughly ten NFL players allows him to understand the game in a way that most agents wish they could.  His relationships with coaches, executives and athletes across the country are a big help to our company.  

Your expertise, in part, is with salary cap management from the agent’s perspective. How are you able to put that know-how to use for your client and how are you able to get on each team’s cap situation?

I pride myself on the numbers and business side of the game.  I have a firm grasp of the new CBA, and have met with team executives, and studied hundreds of contracts.

Because of the new CBA, rookie salary pool and various loopholes, contracts can become complicated. By understanding past contracts and current trends, we can predict which teams’ financial resources will be allocated for specific starting and back-up positions.  By analyzing the data we collect and speaking regularly with scouts and team personnel, we have a solid understanding of the “needs and wants” of each team. 

The database and system we have created over the years is extensive, and provides accurate estimates on many aspects of the game.  We have an accurate projection before the draft of how many athletes at each position will be drafted, and the amount of income each draft pick will earn in salary.

Your agency also gets involved with draft preparation. What are your thoughts on the concerns that there’s too much emphasis now on combine numbers versus actual on-field play and how it affects your less-heralded clients?

Just like SAT scores are a strong indicator of college success, Combine numbers offer insight on how an athlete will fair at the professional level. With that being said, Combine times and measurements only play a small role in the overall draft process. 

It is a common misconception of fans that Combine results will dictate draft results.  Most of the opinions of scouts and team personnel regarding players are already formed during the course of their college careers.  The Combine either confirms what they already know, or moves players slightly up or down in their rankings.  Of course, there is always the exception to the rule; a horrible 40 time can be the difference from being a 5th round pick to going undrafted.  With that being said, Combine statistics are important for better or worse, so we take our clients training for the combine very seriously. 

For those two to three months leading up to the combine, Athlete Advocates clients receive elite training to ensure their highest times and numbers are recorded at the Combine.

One of the biggest issues we see with today’s players is how they adjust to life after football. How do you make that a priority for your clients before they are on the verge of retirement?

Playing football only provides income for a short part of an athlete’s life.  Putting it into perspective, a player will usually live more than half of his life after retiring from the game.  We make it a priority early on to assist a client in preparing for life after football. We offer advice, set up off-season internships for clients in various fields, and coordinate their enrollment in broadcast boot camps, coaching opportunities, etc. We believe in a proactive approach and genuinely want our friends and clients to succeed in life, not just in sport.  

Do you represent any Pittsburgh athletes and have you worked with the Steelers organization?

It’s funny you ask. 

We actually don’t represent any Pittsburgh athletes but Ryan did play at Hofstra with your very own, Willie Colon.  At this past Combine Ryan and I set up meetings with dozens of individuals.  Ryan had the opportunity to speak with Coach Tomlin who is always enthusiastic and confident about life, and his team.  We are hopeful that a client will be drafted or sign as a free agent with the Steelers soon! I have always been a fan of their philosophy and winning culture! 

You also help clients with charitable endeavors. What have been some of the more unique events you’ve put on to date?

We’ve had some tremendous experiences working with athletes.  One of my favorite athletes to work with is Vince WIlfork of the New England Patriots.  His father passed away from Diabetes when he was playing football at Miami. His wife, Bianca, plays a huge role in running the foundation which raises money for Diabetes research.  While some athletes go through the motions in their charity work, Vince and Bianca are very passionate about their non-profit foundation.   

What are some of the biggest misperceptions clients have when they first start working with an agent, and how do you handle those?

Every client is different but one of the most important aspects of being an agent is setting clear goals, timelines and ALWAYS keeping in constant communication.  Some clients only want assistance in negotiating contracts and managing their football careers. Some on the other hand, need help preparing for all that life will throw at them.  Many athletes go through a series of “firsts” that they didn’t see coming. 

We try to ease the transition and help our clients become independent and self-sufficient.  We make it a point to inquire as to how involved a specific client wants us to be in their business and personal lives.  After gaining a clear understanding of their interests, we are then able to serve them zealously. 

Likewise, what are some of the biggest misperceptions fans have about agents and the work you do?

Many fans and students think being an agent is always glamorous.  Although it is and I truly enjoy every day of work, there are many aspects of the business, which are not glamorous. Just like with any job, there is a ton of work done behind the scenes. For every hour spent negotiating a contract, I spend thousands of hours on the road traveling to games, contacting teams to promote our clients, meeting with clients, scouting new clients, making phone calls and crunching numbers.  The work can be tedious and boring at times. 

However, meeting with clients and their families, helping them achieve their goals, and calling them with good news… have provided for some of the most rewarding experiences I have ever had!

What are the most frustrating – and rewarding – aspects of your job?

I might meet with ten clients but only sign a handful of them.  That can be frustrating.  To get those ten meetings I may have had to meet with 30 other people first. Family members, friends and coaches usually provide an initial layer of protection and privacy for the athlete.  To get those 30 meetings I may have had to make 100 phone calls. For every successful phone call or meeting there are dozens of rejections.  That’s part of the nature of the business. 

Ryan and I have driven five hours to meet with athletes, or flown across the country for a final interview with a potential client, only to find out upon arrival that the decision has already been made and he has signed with Agency X.  That’s not only frustrating, its expensive too. Tough times like that make it even more rewarding when things go right!

Over the last few years, many things have been bouncing our way.  Fortunately, we are prepared for each opportunity we create and each successful milestone is more rewarding than the last! In our career thus far, it is clear that to attract top talent and compete with large scale agencies, personal service and attention is key.  We therefore limit the number of players we recruit and ultimately sign, so that there is no shortfall in quality. 

In this business, reputation will follow you everywhere, and we want our clients to feel confident they are receiving representation that is second to none. 

Any last thoughts for readers?

I feel honored to have been contacted and thank Ron for taking the time to conduct this interview. I am truly blessed to have a talented, industrious and intelligent lawyer on my side in Ryan Scarpa, and am thankful each day I get to work in a field I am so passionate about. 

I encourage every person, young or old, to pursue their dreams and reach their goals. While some people are miserable going to work each day, I feel the opposite. I love what I do and appreciate our clients for believing in the Athlete Advocates team and giving us the opportunity to work on their behalf!

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Andy Simms, Co-Founder, PlayersRep Sports Management

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Andy Simms, Co-Founder, PlayersRep Sports Management

First, can you let readers know how you got started as an agent and how you helped start PlayersRep in 1997?

I was just a 22 year old 1st year law student with a few ideas really.  The long and short of it is simple – I printed up some business cards and made up a brochure for my start up sports agency.  I had no connections, potential clients, or much of a clue on what I was doing.  I was able to sign a few clients fortunately, and the rest grew from there.

What prompted you to launch your own agency and what were your biggest obstacles starting out? 

The biggest obstacles – inexperience, an industry flooded with competition, lack of money and funding for travel and business expenses.  That just names a few.  But as in any business, obstacles can be overcome.  I started on my own because that was really the only option.  It’s extremely hard to catch on with an established agent or agency – very few openings and when there are, the opportunity for growth is fairly limited.

What separates you from other agencies/agents and how do you decide on what players to take on? Are there ones you’d turn away – if so, why?

The cliché’ that a business is only as good as its clients proves true in the agent business.  Our clients ARE the business.  We have to choose wisely.  A lot of time and energy is put into studying potential prospects – both on and off the field.  We take on a limited number of clients each year which is different than most of our competitors.  We have to do a lot of scouting ourselves, studying game film, speaking with MANY people to get background on athletes.  We are looking for clients that are a great fit for PlayersRep, of which many are not.  And yes, we end up turning away clients.

You are unique in that you take on various roles with clients – from contract work, marketing opportunities, finding clients jobs, tax advice to post-career counseling, and more. What’s the part of the job you enjoy most, and why?

I can eliminate tax advice, financial advice/budgeting and most forms of post career counseling from the competition for most enjoyable part of the job.  The reality is each and every aspect of the job is important and necessary.  The enjoyment comes from the success.  And success starts with a job in the NFL for your client and a contract that pays them as well as possible.

What are the biggest misperceptions players have when entering the contract negotiation process  – especially as rookies?

The new labor deal of 2011 brought about changes for the rookies, and all of the NFL really.  The rookie contracts are more set than ever before.  There is still work to be done on the agent side, especially regarding off-season bonuses, guaranteed language in the contracts, and injury provisions.

With so much discussion on how players handle their post-NFL careers and lives and the difficulties they have in doing so at times, how do you work with your clients to ensure they have a healthy mindset entering their post-NFL years, and how do you go about doing so?

The key to success post NFL playing career is simple.  Planning.  We encourage our clients to think about and discuss with us their plans for after football.  Once we as a firm can understand their post football interests, then we can help guide them into different career paths that interest them.  The NFL and NFLPA offer various programs for business education, entrepreneurship, coaching, and broadcasting.

Planning also involves networking throughout the playing career.  NFL players meet a lot of people during their careers.  We encourage them to stay in touch and follow up with interesting people they meet along the way. No player should ever be left wondering what to do next after they play their last game.

How do you go about selecting the right marketing/endorsement opportunities for players? How do you know when the fit is right?

Our job is to know our clients.  We have to have a firm grasp of our client, his interests, and what he wants and doesn’t want to do publicly.  Once we have that, it’s about finding the right opportunities and matching those interests up with corporate America.  It’s not a science, but we try to evaluate all possibilities and stick to a plan when possible for each client.

From your perspective, what are some of the biggest misperceptions fans have of the role of agents in sports? How do you dispel those?

Our industry is littered with all kinds of people – I understand and accept that.  For myself and for the other agents at PlayersRep, we can only control how we conduct ourselves on a day to day basis.  I can’t change how our industry is perceived, but I can affect how I am perceived.  So I worry about that and nothing more.

With more and more of players’ personal lives – especially legal issues – becoming public, how do you prepare players to protect themselves from these situations and has that become a bigger part of your player preparation?

One of the main jobs of any agent is to protect your client.  We protect clients from varying forms of pitfalls and traps.  Education, knowledge and planning are the keys.  Our clients have to understand the potential for trouble that exists, and they need to know how to avoid that trouble.  We encourage our clients to communicate with us regularly, and if they are contacted by anyone, or if they are attached on social media for example, they know to contact me immediately.

Any last thoughts for readers?

Thanks for allowing me to answer some questions about the agent business.  Although the agent industry is sometimes perceived negatively, it is a very rewarding, and fun, business to be involved with.

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Neil Stratton, President, Inside the League, NFL/CFL Consulting

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Neil Stratton, President, Inside the League, NFL/CFL Consulting

First, can you let readers know how you got started as a consultant for college and pro football and how you started Inside the League?

In the late 90’s, I had a buddy who wanted to be the next Mel Kiper Jr. We started a print draft publication in the time when the Internet was just starting to explode, and it lasted about four years. At about Year three, it was easy to see there was too much competition out there to make money with the business model, so I had started looking around for Plan B. At the Senior Bowl one year, I started to meet agents who made it clear there was no publication specifically for them. At the time, there were about 1,500 agents registered by the NFLPA (there are around half that now due to a rule change instituted about eight years ago). It looked like a ready-made, easy-to-reach market.

At any rate, when I launched ITL, it was half about draft evaluation (mock drafts, rankings, etc.), and half about the industry and the stuff it has become today. However, after I returned from my stint as Executive Director of the ’08 Hula Bowl and relaunched ITL, my wife urged me to make it unique and just focus on the things no one else was doing, which was the football business, insider-type stuff. It was the right move.

How has having played football in college (U.S. Naval Academy in ’88) helped you in this role as a consultant?

I think anyone could do what I do if they are willing to take a chance and work hard, regardless of whether they played college football. However, I will say that it gives me credibility when I meet a coach, player, agent, or anyone in the industry and I can tell them that I know what it’s like to be a player, even if it was a LONG time ago, and I was far from a star. The blood, sweat and tears that every player sheds from the bonds that link people in this industry, and what gives it the camaraderie that glues people to this business and to each other.

In working with agents, what have you found to be the key attributes that make up a top-tier agent?

Persistence, plain and simple. And money, of course. You HAVE to have resources given how the business model has changed so drastically in the last 5-7 years. That’s where I feel ITL gives its clients an edge – we are out there actively trying to help our clients make good business decisions and spend their money wisely, while simultaneously bringing them discounts on hotel stays, training, or whatever. And we’re always, always accessible.

But at the end of the day, I always tell my clients that if you’re not willing to get the door slammed in your face or the phone slammed on you, or if you’re not willing to stand outside the locker room in the rain to get five minutes with a player, or you’re not willing to drive four or five hours one way to make a contact some night when you have to be up at 7 a.m. the next day, then you should think long and hard about being in this business. You’ll have to pay your dues, just like in any other business, even if you’ve been very successful in another line of work. There’s a misperception that the NFLPA helps its licensed contract advisors by providing them contact info, tips, information, discounts or whatever. Nothing could be further from the truth. It’s Dodge City out there.

What are the biggest misperceptions you find players have when entering the NFL as rookies?

There are several, so I’m going to approach this question during the period between the end of college play and the draft.

The biggest and most recent one is that once your eligibility is over, and it’s time to focus on the draft, you deserve expert-level combine training along with a stipend, signing bonus or some other form of subsidy from your agent. There is an incredible sense of entitlement that has been bred among college players in the last 3-4 years. If you’re not rated in the top 100 for a draft – in other words, expected to go in the first three rounds – good representation and good entitlements become an either/or proposition; it’s hard to find both if you’re a late-rounder.

The other is that all players who start for some period of time at a Division I school are entitled to a 3-4 year NFL career. Playing in college, even playing well, offers absolutely no guarantees. No one deserves anything, and the NFL doesn’t award camp invites based on what someone wrote on the Internet. There is no guaranteed happy ending. That’s why, though it’s a cliché, education and getting a degree are critical. There’s nothing more heartbreaking than seeing players hanging around some indoor league into their late 20s/early 30s.

The third is that if you don’t make the NFL, it’s somebody’s fault, and most likely your agent’s. There are literally thousands of players each year that are very, very good college players, but that doesn’t make you an NFL player, or even an NFL prospect. Sometimes, you just aren’t good enough. There’s no shame in that. I know it’s never easy to let go of a dream, but sometimes part of being a grownup is knowing when it’s time to move on.

What are the most common mistakes you see agents make with clients and the teams they negotiate with, and how do you help them overcome those mistakes?

The first that many agents make is that once you sign a player, he’ll automatically get invited to an all-star game, then he’ll automatically get evaluated in March by an NFL scout, and if he’s not drafted, he’ll automatically get a camp invite.

If you’re an agent, there’s no time for waiting. You have to be spring-loaded at all times and take nothing for granted. Once you get him signed, start finding out how he can get into an all-star game and who you need to talk to on his behalf, especially if he’s a guy who’s on the bubble to get drafted. You should even start cultivating game contacts as soon as you get certified.

Once that’s resolved, find out about pro days. I usually advise my clients that if they are considering signing a player from a small school and don’t know if they will have a pro day or not, don’t sign them. Bottom line, if you don’t work out for a scout who gets your 40 time, etc., it’s almost like you don’t exist. Schools can no longer just take for granted that they will have a well-attended pro day, and many, many schools that are not Division I-A don’t get scouts to come to their workouts (and some don’t even schedule one). Trying to get a small-school kid into a Division I-A workout is a serious uphill battle anymore. Schools are wary of giving a player from another school a chance at a job one of their players might otherwise fill. Finally, as they go through the spring, they should be cultivating scouts (we maintain a list of who to contact and how on our site) because sometimes those relationships wind up making the difference on getting a kid into a camp. They need to leverage those relationships when it comes time to get kids into camps.

With so much discussion on how players handle their post-NFL careers and lives and the difficulties they have in doing so at times, how do you work with your clients to ensure players have a healthy mindset entering their post-NFL years, and how do you go about doing so?

It’s tricky. Earlier this year, I approached a financial planner who’d been a longtime client and asked him if it would serve his clients if I put together a kind of post-career seminar to give players tips on how to succeed. He basically said it was no use, because it’s so hard to get players to understand how fragile their careers are, and either they get it or they don’t. It’s kind of the nature of the business. You better believe you’re invincible or pretty soon you won’t have the edge, the confidence, the attitude that you need. Start talking about the end, and pretty soon it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Obviously, at the end of the day, the answer is education, but you can talk all you want; if people don’t want to listen, it won’t matter. I don’t mean to sound fatalistic about things, but addressing this issue is something I’m always thinking about, and I still have no answers. The NFL has developed several seminars and programs to answer this question, and for the most part, they are under-attended.

How do you go about helping players selecting the right marketing/endorsement opportunities? How do you know when the fit is right?

The difficulty here is in realizing how few marketing opportunities there are for NFL players. Because players are hidden behind a facemask, getting these dollars isn’t easy, and if you don’t score touchdowns (i.e., QB, wide receiver, running back), it becomes even harder to get marketing dollars. Agents are always being asked why they can’t get marketing opportunities, and the truth is that for more players, these chances are rare beyond the occasional appearance at a trading card show, or chance to get a free car lease from a local dealership in return for tickets and an appearance in a newspaper ad. If you’re rated in the top 100 players in a draft class, you’ll have no problem getting an apparel/shoe deal, trading card deal and maybe an autograph signing in your college town, but after that you really have to prove yourself to get anything significant once you’re a veteran. If you really get established in a city, and your team has success, you may be able to land a weekly radio gig or whatever. But beyond that, the general rule is that you should take whatever you can get, because opportunities are rare.

You work with combine preparation specialists. How would you address concerns that the combine rather than a player’s on-field play is becoming too important in a player’s pre-draft evaluation, and is there concern that the pre-combine preparation can help give a “false read” on a player’s ability?

Everyone loves to talk about the workout warriors in the mid-00s that were overdrafted due to their triangle numbers, the Mitch Marrows of the world and the Mike Mamulas, but that’s because the NFL allows that to happen. There’s a good argument to be made that the combine prep industry creates athletes, not football players, but you have to understand that the trend in scouting departments is to ask your area scouts to bring back facts only, and the real evaluation will be made by a handful of top executives at the team headquarters. This is done, partly, so teams can contain the costs of their scouting departments by paying low-level guys pennies. At any rate, when you become that dependent on facts, on measurables, it’s only natural that these numbers would rise in significance.

I remember Charley Casserly used to tell players at the Shrine Game in the early 00’s that 80 percent of their draft ‘grade’ was complete when they walked off the field after their last college game, then 10 percent was the all-star game and 10 percent was their pro day/combine. I wonder if all teams subscribe to that formula anymore. So measurables have become bigger, and therefore combine prep specialists have become more important. You combat that by stressing that film study has to be the deciding factor, and making sure every scout knows that, and by trusting your scouts’ opinions.

One thing that has really become true the last few years is that there’s a ‘lottery’ mentality when it comes to the sixth and seventh round for many teams. They consider these picks as less meaningful, so they roll the dice on players who blow up their respective pro days, gambling that if the kid is a great pure athlete he can be made into a good football player. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t, but that’s part of what makes the NFL draft so fascinating. When you find a kid 6-6, 360 with magic feet, it matters less that he couldn’t stay on the field due to injuries, or had off-field issues, or just doesn’t like football.

From your perspective, what are some of the biggest misperceptions fans have of the role of agents in sports? How do you dispel those?

It’s a myth fed by many – but not all – coaches and schools that all agents are evil. SOME agents are evil, but not all. Not by a long shot. Also, I’m going to say something that’s not popular but still true: if most elite student-athletes didn’t have their hands out, there would be fewer agents around that would put something in them. If you’re a highly rated player, you have a set of expectations that allows these unscrupulous agents to operate. These players are kids, and they make mistakes, and I get that, but there’s still good and evil out there, and many of these young men are very skilled at taking advantage of people.

The other thing to understand is that the rank-and-file fan has no idea how agents and agencies work, and how that side of the business works, and couldn’t care less, anyway, so it’s really easy to paint with a wide brush. I understand that; part of what makes my job so addictive is that I’ve been doing this for a decade and I still learn stuff all the time. I know a lot of people want to believe in the purity of athletics, especially at the college level, but it’s hard to call anyone playing Division I-A college football an amateur, because they’re getting some kind of inducement to play. A scholarship isn’t the same as a wad of cash handed to someone under the table, and I get that, but these guys aren’t playing strictly for the love of the game. Every college athlete I’ve ever been around harbored NFL dreams, and there’s nothing wrong with that. By and large, agents just provide a means for achieving that dream.

With more and more of players’ personal lives – especially legal issues – becoming public, how do you help prepare players to protect themselves from these situations and has that become a bigger part of your player preparation?

It’s hard to impress upon a young man how the Internet, and social media, are forever, but it’s something most agents try to do anyway. You read the Twitter posts of some players, and it almost makes you cringe. It’s the same for the voice mail answers they leave on their phones, and a number of other things. There are so many places where a young man’s throwaway line, post made in frustration, impulse action, or whatever else becomes what everyone judges you by, so as an agent you have to be proactive and try to choose clients who understand that. The truly elite athletes can do whatever they want to, and I guess that will always be true, but if you are a bubble NFL roster type, you just can’t do that. Unfortunately, I think that’s something that’s going to be learned through trial and error more than education. Some young men are going to have to really mess up, and on a national scale, for some athletes to finally get it, and that’s a shame.

Have you worked with any Steelers/Steelers front office personnel – directly or indirectly? If so, how does the team go about it’s negotiations and how are the different from other teams?

I haven’t had a lot of dealings with them. The one thing I will say is that they have had rare success in melding the coaching staff and front office into one mind when it comes to evaluation. Given how the Steelers handle things, rarely handing out big contracts and relying on the draft to replenish its roster regularly, you have to hand it to them for how seamlessly they’ve been able to do it year after year, especially after the exit of one of the most successful head coaches of the 00s. Tomlin and Colbert deserve a lot of credit not just for their success, but for their willingness to work together. No Jerry-Jimmy kinds of blowups. That’s unique.

Any last thoughts for readers?

If you don’t already read Bo Marchionte at www.college2pro.com, you’re making a big mistake. He regularly covers the Steelers, and it’s amazing what kind of a work ethic he has. He will run through walls to do a good job. He also interviews nearly every player leading into the draft every spring, and it’s incredible all the names he compiles. Check him out. He’s going to do big things.

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Stephen Austin, Director, NFL Regional Combines

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Stephen Austin:

First, can you let readers know how you got started in the combine business?

I got into it by chance. I was working in DC for an insurance company giving a presentation to employees. I was twenty-eight years old then and two retired football players were in the audience. I didn’t know they were players – they looked athletic but that was all I knew.

Those guys were Frank Grant and Dennis Johnson – former Redskins. After the speech, they asked me to visit with them. They told me they wanted to be agents and needed a business man to help them. Well, my business was not that great and I loved football, so I jumped at the chance.

I worked with them in their agency for a couple of years. In ’84, I decided to try to be an agent on my own. At the same time, the USFL had just come into being. So, I jumped into it. Back then, becoming an agent was easy. There was no certification – you could wake up one day and decide you want to be an agent.

I found I was more of a manager than an agent of the players., I had to make sure they were ready. I found out their workout numbers were not what they told me they were. They all ran 4.4, no matter if they were receivers or linemen (laughing).

I recommended a player to George Young – New York’s GM. The player was a tight end and told me he was 6’5″ and ran a 4.6. Well, it was the biggest mistake and best thing I ever did. The player ran a 5.0 flat and was 6’2″. I got an earful from George and vowed after that that I would never recommend any player until I measured them myself.

So, how did you do so?

The USFL’s San Antonio team called me and said they had twenty guys they wanted me to get together for them to take a look at. Their GM and head coach were coming in. Well, word got out, and by the time they got there we went from twenty to 120. Then, I was in the combine business.

I had an epiphany and wrote down the words “Scout camp”. I had the combine title. What I did was different than others at the time. I introduced pre-registration. Instead of half players and a bunch of drunks guys, I just had football players. We were going to run six combines with a target of 300 players. Well, we ended up with 740 and ran them in Atlanta, Los Angeles, Chicago, Tampa, Rutgers and Houston.

Twenty years later, the NFL bought me out and hired me.

How did you plan those first regional combines and fund them?

I was an agent then. When it took off I wouldn’t take on new players – I just let my current players retire. My life was the combine. My regional directors were players and clients who were popular in their cities. We needed about ten guys for each combine to get and receive the equipment, to be the eyes and ears of the combine. Then we got Wilson Sporting Goods as our national sponsor which gave us credibility right off the bat.

I was $80,000 in debt then. I went to my banker friend to borrow another $5,000. I told him if he didn’t loan me the $5,000 he’d never see the $80,000. Worst case, I would owe him $85,000….He said ok, and I used every penny to launch those pre-registrations by mail. When we got those $85 checks back, we went from there.

How were the regional combines accepted by the NFL front offices?

We didn’t do more than what was needed. these were qualifiers for the Super Combine. It didn’t mean teams didn’t come and look – but we never advertised them to the general public. This was supposed to be a substantive view of these players and the evaluation process. We didn’t want to make it a function of entertainment or commercialize it. We had no clever awards or prizes. We wanted to be a part of the NFL and to be taken seriously.

The older GM’s and front office people were reluctant to accept us. They were stuck  in their ways. They weren’t fans of technology and I was. We had streaming videos in ’96 before most people had email. The guys who got it then were today’s bosses now.

Do you think the older teams viewed this as cutting into their scouting  edge over some of the poorer teams in the NFL?

That’s a good point. That was a philosophy shared by some teams. Bobby Beathard’s view of scouting was the beat the bushes and find the diamonds-in-the-rough. he and others didn’t want a centralized staging of players. They viewed it more like a treasure hunt, while others wanted it all out i front of everybody.

I took a lot of negative “communication” from clubs not wanting me to stick my nose in their world. It took years for many of them to retire, get fired or lose power. I had to outlast them.

When did you know you succeeded?

The watershed moment was when we launched the first online, searchable database of players. We did it before the NFL Teams would use it and tell us they weren’t, but they didn’t know we were tracking their usage – they had to key in a username and password. I told the GM’s who weren’t using it that they looked at a number of player profiles, and they just let the conversation end (laughing).

Ray Anderson – the Executive VP of the NFL,  was a friend of mine then and still is. As was Tony Dungy, Ozzie Newsome and the players’ union. I became a known person in the NFL.

When NFL Europe shut down and the Arena League went dormant, they needed a player development system. Ray said, “Why reinvent the wheel?” They bought out my combines. Ray stuck his neck out and it went well for everybody.

What would surprise readers most about the combines today?

How quiet they are. There are 250 kids and you can hear a pin drop. We’re highly focused. It’s scientific measurement – we need to be accurate to capture the data on that day. We identify size, speed. quickness, strength and lower-body explosion. We run players through the Indy style drills by position after and film it all. teams can see all the results and footage online the next day.

Now, they can go into the database and, say the need a wide receiver. They can search by position, minimum height and weight, speed …basically create their own player and it will produce a list of only those players that meet or exceed those requirements. Complete with a profile, picture, video, contact information, their agent, coaches, college infomration….everything….

We don’t do drug or Wonderlic tests – those are left for the Super Combine.

How do you select who of all of those players go to the Super Combine?

We start off with 2,500 kids across the regional combines. It’s very structured. After each regional combine the NFL flies in three former NFL scouts. They meet with three of our combine scouts – usually former players who conducted the drills. And one consultant – John Beake – the former GM of wo Super Bowl winning Broncos teams. So there are seven guys, and me.

We all go to a room at a hotel after the combine and discuss each position one at a time. We go around the room and settle on one of  three classifications for every player: A – invited; B – on the bubble; C – rejected.   We present the list for John Beake to sign off on. The “B” players may end up being added later if we have room after all the regionals are done.

If we have more “A” players than we expected, we don;t limit it to 150 invites. We can go to a day two, and we’ve done that.

As the level of play in college improves over the years, how do you redefine what an “A” player is?

The best player in the last group scouted becomes the standard. All the guys in the next combine have to be at that level. The bar changes, but we know what we are looking for. It’s the small things that separate scouts from fans. Fans could probably pick out 90% of these guys to invite to the Super Combine. But scouts know the finer points of the last ten percent.

Ever run one in Pittsburgh?

I did years ago. I planned it too early and it snowed. We were all wondering what we were doing there. I’d like to come back to Pittsburgh but we want the clubs to reach out to us and tell us as we use their facility. We don’t invite ourselves. But you better believe the next time we do it will be indoors!

What’s next on the horizon for you and the regional combines?

It was the general vision of Ray Anderson to start with the regional combine and make sure they were successful first. The next step is to deal with the fact there is more talent than there are spots for on the clubs. You don’t want to waste that talent by sending players home where they lose their skills and real football conditioning. Where their only workouts are at the local gym.

The next step we are looking at is to organize an Academy. If a player is not drafted but is a rock solid guy, he can live and work out and the NFL Academy and will be game ready as clubs suffer injuries during the season and need players. This way they aren’t coming in off the street.

We could have twenty-five to thirty to start with and build to a hundred or so guys. Then you can start a grapefruit league and they can play games against each other and be really game ready. This would begin to supplant NFL Europe. It’d be much less expensive and much more manageable.

We’re also talking about more network broadcasted content – shows like “Undrafted” and “Dream Chaser” may or may not come to pass.

I would also like to resume the clinics we had for players on how to become a scout, how to be a trainer, how to be a coach….There’s a lot of content and things we can spin-off from the combines.

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Jed Hughes, Steelers Linebacker Coach, 1984-1988

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Tell me about your new position heading the Global Sports Practice at Korn/Ferry. What does this entail?

I have just joined Korn/Ferry International, a premier provider of talent management solutions, as Vice Chair of the Global Sports Practice, which also includes board and CEO work across industries.  I was aggressively recruited by several firms but came to Korn/Ferry based on my relationship with the president and the commitment of the firm to provide the resources and investment necessary to build a global sports practice.

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John Scutellaro, Player Protect

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John Scutellaro:

First, can you let reader know about Player Protect – how the business got started and how you got involved?

I am a retired Hoboken NJ motorcycle Police officer, I had always wanted to find a way to bring the law enforcement community and professional athletes together in a positive way.

While I was an active officer several NY Giant Players owned a night club in Hoboken and I had many occasions to see how the public reacted to athletes in social situations. I as a police offer learned early that the athletes were just normal people like the rest of us but held to a different standard by society. It was through this reality that I wanted to help professional athletes to live their lives as normal as possible.

What are the various services you offer players and what are the most frequently requested services you provide? 

We provide all aspects of security from the most obscure to the obvious. We also provide our services for players family, coaches and their family as well as owners and front office of the teams we work for.  

What constitutes a security risk to you?

Anyone can be a security risk.  In this day and age you never can tell.  Remember part of why we are in business is because athletes were getting robbed leaving clubs.  Sometimes being followed home and accosted right in front of their homes. 

Hangers on can be a problem.  Everyone wants to party with the athletes.  Men want to hang with them.  Women want to hang with them.  Watching out for these people is the hardest.  If they have ulterior motives to getting up close to the athletes there can be all kinds of problems.  Plus if they are treating the athlete nicely it’s hard to tell them that they are in potential danger. 

Which brings us to the most important security risk…  The athlete themselves.  Sometimes our most important job is just saving this guy from himself.  

What are the biggest mistakes you see athletes make in terms of personal security and protection, and how do you help prevent such occurrences? 

Some of the biggest mistakes are just ignoring personal security and protection altogether.  They feel they don’t need it.  They don’t want to hang with “cops”.  We are under contract to several teams and not all the players from the teams use our services.  Even though the team reimburses for them all or part of the service they choose not to use us. 

Sometimes it takes an incident for these guys realize that they need security.  

Without naming names (unless you can), what have been some of the more unusual/dangerous situations you’ve been involved in? 

As a matter of confidentiality and security I must refrain from giving any particulars or names, but I can tell you that many things we have encountered since starting this company only prove to me that you are never too old to see something new!

Most of the things that have surprised me actually come from the women who attempt to gain favor with our athletes. We have overheard many unbelievable and outrageous statements from some of the most unassuming of individuals. We have also intervened on behalf of athletes when wrongfully accused by women seeking to obtain a payday from false accusations.

On most occasions only the athlete knows we are security and the people who try and tag along are shocked when they are told we keep track of everything that happens to protect our clients from any unforeseen situation that might arise.

How do you go about protecting an athlete that is “out on the town”. What steps do you take to ensure they others don’t try to cause trouble for them?

As you know sometimes when you are out you aren’t really paying attention to your surroundings.  Our agents are there to watch the goings on around the athlete to make sure that no one is going to interrupt their time out.  This can include people who want to get friendly with them for good or bad reasons as well as the guy that lost a couple hundred bucks because our athlete fumbled, dropped the ball or made the play to beat a team.. 

First things first is the security getting out of the vehicle on the street.  Is it an event where people know in advance that athletes are going to be there.  Here you might have people looking for autographs or pictures.  We let the athlete dictate what they are comfortable with doing and our agent gets out, checks out the street scene and then and only then does he open the door for the client to get out and move.  Same thing happens leaving   

How do you deal with an athlete who is just starting trouble on their own – of their own accord? How do you intervene in those situations?

Luckily KNOCK ON WOOD the incidents of this are few and far between.  All of our athletes treat our agents with respect and most of them realize that we are on their side.  They embrace having their “own guy” with them. 

The best intervention is to remind them who they represent.  Remind them that they DON’T want to end up on the back or worse the front of the next day’s newspapers and finally if all else fails mentioning the fact that you are going to have to advise the team of the problem if it winds up on a police blotter or in the media usually ends any problem. 

That being said we have NEVER had to go that far.  KNOCK ON WOOD!!  

How do you handle situations that are not physically threatening but might not be “good ideas” for players. For example, if a player has too much to drink and women approach them. Would you ever determine that to be a “security risk” – if so, under what circumstances?

Huge security risk.  Tom Coughlin is famous for saying that nothing good ever happens after 1AM.  Nothing good happens when a player is “feeling good” and a woman approaches him.  She could be looking to make a big score off an athlete. 

Same as the guy who sees the athlete out and wants to fight him just to show that he is stronger.  We don’t know what’s in her mind.  Our guys can only keep a close watch and look out as best they can for that player.   It’s a slippery slope but the best way to handle it is to keep an eye on them and not let the player go off with the woman if it’s deemed that he is not thinking straight. 

But they are adults and things happen between adults…  You’re young.  You’re famous.  You have needs, wants and desires.  It’s a scary situation but sometimes people are just doing what people do. Our athletes will always let us know what their intentions are and ask our opinions.

We have built the trust that is needed to help our players in any situation.

Who are the typical types of people that work for your organization – and how do you find these employees?

Our employees are all security personnel. Our pool comes from both current and former law enforcement. Every employee must be certified by their respective state to perform security. Our agents are hired from local departments where our athletes live and work. This ensures that our agents are familiar with the areas for which they are providing protection details.

How do you work with authorities and how do they perceive your role when issues occur that call for law enforcement to get involved?

Our agents cooperate with law enforcement.  All of our agents are prior law enforcement and know when the situation calls for L.E. involvement they have to cooperate. Any current law enforcement who is working a detail for us is always acting as an active officer and bound by law to respond as such when a situation calls for it. 

Have you worked with any Pittsburgh athletes? 

 The most important aspect of our business is the confidentiality.  Players have to know that they can trust us not to speak to anyone about what they do, who they do it with or where they do it.  If we didn’t have this level of trust then this business would never work.  Our business spreads with word of mouth and one breach of that confidentiality could kill our business.  The player HAS to be comfortable with our agents to allow us to do our job properly.  So to answer your question…  Yes.  and then NO…

We are based in the New York/New Jersey area but we have people all over the country and in Canada that have worked with us.  We get calls for service in many different cities.  Athletes from many different teams from many different sports have used our services.

 Any last thoughts for readers?

We would just like your readers to know that when you see a professional athlete out in a social setting, try and put yourself in their shoes. They are people just like you and me; they are usually being hounded for photos and autographs. Sometimes they would just like to let loose and have fun without being critiqued or criticized.

Living under a microscope isn’t easy, especially for someone who can’t celebrate their 23rd birthday without being picked apart for every movement, every person they talk to, or every drink they might have while out with friends.

 Give these athletes some private time and they will show you that they are people too. Instead of asking for a photo or autograph, try striking up a conversation and seeing if they have any good stories! They might just surprise you!

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Ed Kaminsky, SportStar Relocation

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Ed Kaminsky:

First, can you let readers know about your business – what does SportStar Relocation do, and how did you get involved in this business?

Sportstar relocation is a company dedicated to the needs of athletes when they are traded, become free agents or are drafted. We help them find a new home, sell their existing home and all of the details related to a move including helping them coordinate with a mover, utilities turned on and off, coordinating with sound companies , furniture companies and as little as helping them get their refrigerator stocked with food.

I have worked in Real estate for twenty-five years in Manhattan Beach ,CA which has become a haven for athletes. Both current and retired players from all four major sports, plus soccer, tennis and golf. Even Tiger Woods held residence here at one point.

I had constantly helped them throughout the years as they transitioned in and out of Los Angeles. After a while I often heard concerns that the process elsewhere was very difficult either running into incompetent handlers or real estate agents. Often times they are referred to a friend or a friend’s wife or girlfriend who may have never sold a home before or not very often. When they try to do someone a favor sometimes it backfires into a very costly transaction. I knew I could set up a company that could provide premium and concierge type service no matter where they move to. 

You deal with players across a wide variety of salary levels and needs – how do you deal with that diversity in income when it comes to meeting everyones’ needs? Do you have those that specialize in certain income levels/levels of want?

Our agents across the company have one common trait, they are committed to meeting their clients’ needs regardless of their price point. There is not one player that is treated differently than another as it relates to the quality of service provided.

The fact is there may be one player barely making the roster one year but could be a superstar next year, and you can have a superstar this year be out of the league the next year. We never look at their income level, all we try to do is analyze exactly what they need and help minimize the stress to get it. Even if it means finding a small one or two bedroom apartment, we are here to make their life easier.

The agents in our network are known as the best in the business and they understand confidentiality issues and they know they need to look out for the players best interest not their own. So if that means recommending they rent instead of buy because they are on a short contract then that is what they are advised to do.

How do you work with athletes to meet their needs – especially those that need quick turnarounds due to trades/free agency signings, etc.?

The most important thing we do is assess their needs and confirm what their team will be doing for them or not doing for them. With most teams they leave the relocation to the player. Some team personnel try to help or guide the players but because of the high salary level of players, most teams feel they have the resources to get settled.

The reality is they often have family and the move can be quite dramatic, taking kids out of school, losing solid friendships and relationships with sitters, doctors etc. We work to find out what their immediate needs are from securing their old home to getting them quickly settled into their new city even if it is just a temporary residence.

What have been some of the more interesting and humorous request you have received from players and teams over the years?

Well what I find interesting is sometimes players are choosing homes to live in that they don’t have time to come out and see. We have to survey the property send some pictures draft contracts and hope and pray that they like it when they show up.

On the humorous side , we once moved a Phantom Rolls Royce for a well-known music star. Somehow during the trip someone stepped on the “Mink floor Carpets” with muddy shoes. We had to find a fur cleaner to clean the client’s car. It certainly wasn’t humorous at the time but we can laugh a little bit about it now. 

How involved do agents and teams get in the process, and how so?

The higher the profile the player the more agents and teams get involved in the process. I have been personally called by the GM of a team to make sure that a new high-profile player was well taken care of for his move into Los Angeles. He wanted the move to go perfect so his first impression of LA was all that the GM presented.

Many agents can hold a pretty heavy part of the decision for a player when they are deciding to spend money. There are many people trying to get to players and part of the agents job is to protect the player and respectfully so. We have to respect the team and the agents demands. The player holds the ultimate card in making decisions but many players do listen to the advice of those in their sphere.

What do you find are the biggest misperceptions and/or frustrations athletes have during the whole relocation process, and how do you work with them on these?

The biggest misperception is that players are excited to get a big contract and go to a new city. I would say nine out of ten times it is stressful , frustrating , expensive and time-consuming. It is stressful on their friends their families, their children. They have to learn a new play system learn to work with new players and at the same time find a home that keeps their significant others happy and their financial status safe. This is a lot to juggle no matter who you are.

Who tend to be the easiest athletes to work with, and what makes them so?

The easiest athletes to work with are those that you gain their trust. If they know you have taken great care of other players they put more trust into what you do. It certainly is easier if you also gain the trust of their advisors including their financial advisors, their agent, their business manager and /or their parents.

If I had to pick a sport I would say hockey players typically seem the most down to earth, easy-going athletes that I have worked with although I found players in all major sports who exemplify the same characteristics show tremendous respect to what we do for them and appreciate it as well.

Do you think athletes take livability and living costs into account when they make their choices on where to live? How important is that usually to an athlete, from your experience?

We all read about the big contract players and it is certainly easier for them to make decisions with little regard to financial cost, however most players take a very serious look at how their real estate purchase will affect them financially.

Unfortunately you read all too often that most players end up broke after retirement and had they been more studious about their finances they would not have ended up in that position. Knowing that , we as a company try to explain what we know about protecting their financial status and suggest they speak to their related advisors.

Many of the players moving around are the middle-of-the-road players and what may look like a lot of money on paper doesn’t always add up to what may appear as an endless budget. There are plenty of players that earn $1,000,000 a year and after you deduct taxes, agent fees, a car payment or two plus usually two house payments there is not as much left as you think.

Most have one home where they play and one home for the off-season many times where they grew up. Careers are more often shorter than you think averaging three to five years depending on the sport. It’s not hard to burn through that money and for the low-level players, they often feel compelled to keep up with “The Joneses” and unfortunately “The Joneses” make about 10 million a year.

Do you deal much with the Pittsburgh market – and if so, what stands out most to you about working to place athletes in the Pittsburgh area?

A few notable names we have helped from Pittsburgh are Troy Polamalu, Ryan Clark, and James Harrison although not necessarily with their Pittsburgh needs.

There are a few other hockey players including Taylor Pyatt, Colby Armstrong and Erik Christensen we have helped transition to or from Pittsburgh. And from Pittsburgh’s downline we have helped the Son in law, Kevin Westgarth, of the great coach Bill Cowher who is a hockey player in Los Angeles get settled into his first home in LA who then married Coach Cowhers Daughter. He is commonly seen at the hockey games and is always a gentleman.

One thing we always hear from the players about Pittsburgh is that they love the layout of the City and they love the fan base, they are hardcore passionate fans and there is no better way to show up for work than to have people cheering for you. 

Any last thoughts for readers?

Players love coming to winning teams and never like leaving them.

Pittsburgh has always been known as a city that strives for championships and achieves them. However as much as players want to win they want their home life to be as rewarding, finding that balance is tough, their jobs are demanding, their time is limited and being in the spot light is not easy. They may make a lot of money but most of them are just normal people like you or me just with better athletic abilities.

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